Can you refuse a debt drug test

Can the school ask for a drug test?


Hello
Need advice. My son 15 is at school with a boy who probably takes drugs more often (smoking pot and speed)

I know my son won't take it, but the school now requires the boys who hang out with each other! a drug test as long as the kids are expelled from school ...

In a nutshell: Personally, I don't have any problems with them because I trust my son, but my ex-husband strictly refuses, because he says that without a judge's decision, no school could ask a student to do this and also expel him from school!

Please who can help me further?


Greetings Susi

 

At my school, drug tests were the order of the day

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 12:24 pm

we are also every day in the morning across the school yard and have searched for cutlery


But to your question - yes, you may if there is a legitimate suspicion or if your parents give your consent

at least that's how it was with us

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Re: Can School Require a Drug Test?

answer frombiggi71 on February 3rd, 2012, 12:25 pm

please ask at the school office AND youth welfare office.
as long as your son is not guilty of anything, no expulsion from school should be pronounced. as long as his guilt is not proven, he is innocent!
However, the first course is to the director.

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uh, open your eyes clearly

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 12:30 p.m.

How at least recognize the drug consumption of your children and in 96% of the cases it is recognized too late 84% of the parents would have sworn stone and leg: my child does not do something, does not take something or can do nothing with it - unfortunately this is a frightening fact

I would first talk to the director and then contact the school authorities if necessary

Excluding from the class is not possible as long as there is a suspicion

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Re: Thank you !!!!!!!

answer fromSouth on February 3rd, 2012, 12:51 pm

Thanks for the quick responses.


Susi

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Re: Can School Require a Drug Test?

answer fromshinead on February 3rd, 2012, 1:21 pm

I would never agree to such a test on Junior without a reason.
Smoking weed in the nursery is still a matter for the parents and as long as he is not caught consuming it at school, the principal is unlucky.

Even a positive drug test would only tell you that you used drugs, but not exactly when. But the school is not allowed to draw any conclusions if he does it in his free time.

Talk to the education authority and lodge a complaint against the suspension.

Excerpt from: http://drugscouts.de/de/drfruehling/darf-die-schule-drogentests-durchf%C3%BChren

In principle, according to information from the Saxon Education Agency Regional Office Leipzig, schools nationwide are not allowed to carry out random drug tests on their pupils or to have them carried out by the police. The reason for this is the right of personality, which applies to every person and serves to protect a person's personality from encroachments on their area of ‚Äč‚Äčlife and freedom. In addition, the performance of drug tests on minors (under 18 years of age) requires the consent of their legal guardians.

The police are only allowed to request a drug test from a person if there is a suspicion of an administrative offense or criminal offense. Driving under the influence of drugs, for example, constitutes an administrative offense. The trade in substances that fall under the Narcotics Act [BtMG] is a criminal offense, while the consumption of drugs is not punishable. So if the police have evidence that a student is selling illegal substances, they must investigate and investigate this suspicion. In this context, however, as far as we know, no drug test is carried out on the suspect, as this is irrelevant for determining the facts of the matter.

The situation is different if, for example, a pupil becomes violent in school, injures classmates or teachers and there is a suspicion that this pupil has previously consumed drugs. Then the police can request a drug test. Under certain circumstances, it can be important when criminal proceedings are initiated in order to be able to determine, for example, the culpability of the perpetrator during the examination in court. Adults (= people over the age of 19) may refuse the rapid drug test; minors require the consent of their legal guardians. The police, on the other hand, can force a blood test; this is then carried out by a doctor. Here, too, the legal guardians must agree to minors.

So, in summary, we can tell you that schools are not allowed to conduct drug tests; the police are only allowed to do so if there is an urgent suspicion of a criminal offense in connection with the consumption of illegalised substances. However, there are some private schools in the Federal Republic of Germany where random drug tests are common because they do not want any drug-using pupils. They reserve the right to expel students who test positive from school. This must be noted in the respective school contract, which the legal guardian or adult pupil must read and sign before joining the school. They have given their consent and are obliged to take part in the drug tests.

There are different rapid drug tests: urine, saliva and sweat swab tests. It is very easy to carry out by putting a small amount (a few drops) of one of these body fluids on a test strip of the respective test. The test strip changes color if one of the tested substances is detectable. Rapid drug tests are very imprecise and have a high error rate, which is why the results cannot be used in court. Because of this, a blood test is always carried out after a positive rapid drug test, as this is more reliable and also provides information about the amount of the substance consumed and its breakdown products.

On our homepage you can read in the "Substance" section under "Detection times" how long THC and its metabolic products can be detected in the various body fluids. According to the manufacturer, cannabis should still be detectable in sweat approx. 12 hours after consumption.

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Thanks shinead, amazing that so many agree with the approach

answer fromMiss Krause on February 3rd, 2012, 1:34 pm

and find that perfectly fine. You can see again that the more injustices are accepted without resistance, the more "normal" it will be assessed at some point, a la "everyone does that". Ergo it also has to be allowed, not so ...

LG fk

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Re: Thank you shinead, amazing that so many agree with the approach

answer fromMiss Krause on February 3rd, 2012, 1:39 pm

Just for understanding. Here in Berlin, the topic is also often up for discussion. Is done "just like that" in many schools in Berlin.

LG fk

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Re: Thank you shinead, amazing that so many agree with the approach

answer fromSteffi528 on February 3rd, 2012, 1:58 pm

I make really big cheeks, which is the "usual" thing.
And also, the "When in doubt for the accused" somehow disappears in the history books.
Are the teachers also expected to take a drug test? Alcohol? Antidepressants? Stimulants and the like ???

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Re: to be honest

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 2:23 pm

I wouldn't find general drug tests sooooo bad at all

however, of course, increased awareness-raising measures are also part of it and and and


As I said at school, it was from the 9th grade and most of them thought it was good
and many parents liked it too

but that was also in 1988

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Probably ...

answer fromhgmeier on February 3rd, 2012, 2:25 pm

... because you have no problem when your conscience is clear.

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Re: Presumably ...

answer fromSteffi528 on February 3rd, 2012, 2:30 p.m.

Well, first of all it is a general suspicion and for me that belongs to the area: Big Brother. Fundamental rights are further curtailed and I don't think that's okay, even with a clean slate.
My conscience becomes less clear if I simply accept every new form of government surveillance when it no longer complies with the basic laws.

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Re: Presumably ...

answer fromLeena on February 3rd, 2012, 2:40 pm

... I also have a very clear conscience, apart from about three cigarettes as a teenager, I haven't used any classic legal or illegal "drugs" as far as I know.

Nevertheless, I would be extremely under-enthusiastic if I were to be obliged to take a drug test in front of my office door, for example, so that I could only go to work after successfully completing the test.

Nobody has the right to reverse the burden of proof without even the slightest concrete suspicion against me personally and to demand that I have to prove that I have NOT consumed such substances.

Phew ...

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Maybe the parents in question just SAY ...

answer fromMiss Krause on February 3rd, 2012, 2:52 pm

that they just do it so regularly and suppress that there is a concrete suspicion? Is it simply because you feel uncomfortable in front of the others? That can also be. And so, as an outsider (my son is not yet of that age), one comes to the conclusion that this is simply done so regularly in schools.

We'll see when he's that age. I would also be under-excited if the children just had to undergo this test ...

LG fk

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I think I'm the only one who really sees it differently

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:06 pm

when i was 15 at the time, half of my friends were already drug users

Tin was drawn here (heroin was made hot and smoked on a piece of aluminum foil), H sprayed, coke, drawn and bags were diligently built - many of them drank alcohol even I wasn't sober at 15-16-17

And what can I say- most of the parents didn't know, of course, they often didn't even notice because we said- we'll sleep with this friend- or we'll be in the youth center for a long time tonight -or or or

then you waited until you were halfway clear in your head and then went home

most parents only noticed it when the kids were full on it

out of 15 people who were so extreme back then, 3 are still alive

the rest has died - either through drugs or because the drugs have caused too much organic damage

Today I'm 38- almost 39 and I would never say- my child doesn't take drugs- I'd rather DISTRUST my child once too often-than to see what could become of him


but I'm a burned child

i grew up in the 80s on st pauli - directly between hafenstrasse-reeperbahn and fischmarkt

this time was a school of life prostitution, as was the gun trade and drug consumption

even if you don't believe me now - i have never had contact with drugs that were harder than nicotine and alcohol

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general drug tests ??

answer frombiggi71 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:17 pm

well I would thank me!
big brother is watching you ............
maybe a fingerprint from everyone else, gene test .......

no

on the other hand!

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Re: general drug tests ?? I just have a different past than most

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:20 pm

Had different experiences - lived differently

it may be that the majority sees it as BB- I don't

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you don't know my past

answer frombiggi71 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:33 pm

you don't know where I live or have lived.
maybe THAT'S why I'm against it.
and where are the advantages please?

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Re: I think I'm the only one who really sees it differently

answer fromLeena on February 3rd, 2012, 3:40 pm

... and, if you now say that of these 15 friends from back then exactly 3 are still alive today, the others died directly or indirectly from the drugs - would you really say that the drug tests at the school gate brought anything?

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I want to say in conclusion (but then I'm really out of the fred)

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:42 pm

many of the mothers here do not have children of that age yet, many who have children of this age live differently many of the mothers here cannot imagine that their child could somehow get on the wrong track, why should it? you care, you do, you act, shows interest in the lives of the children, knows the respective friends, so far the child has not been conspicuous in any way, has never caused any difficulties

many of them say: no, with the best sake of my child, i cannot imagine that
(I admit in many ways I think the same way)

but at some point there may come a time when you no longer have any influence on the children

At some point the time will come when the children may not tell everything anymore
at some point there will come a time when the friends will be different, many of them you can hardly see, some you will call - others not

if you live in a big city you have unfortunately also driven others, we live in the age of the internet-facebbok-vz protale and and and

we will probably have less and less influence on our children's leisure time

I am still of the opinion-the children have to get away from the streets

because i saw what can happen, i was between 17 and 21 i was able to go to one funeral after the next

Most of our children are still small - or at least still outside the "danger zone" - but who knows, maybe one day your opinion will change and you would have wished that there were certain tests

or you could have looked your child in the eye once more


so that's it - I still want to get rid of that

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@ RM

answer fromTinaDA35 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:42 pm

That explains a lot ...

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Work at a school. Constantly drug tests. LG

answer fromSchnigge on February 3rd, 2012, 3:42 pm

x

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Re: @ RM

answer fromTinaDA35 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:44 pm

Was it a joke or what you wrote there ???? Drug tests on the agenda ...

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Re: work at a school. Constantly drug tests. Who believes

answer fromTinaDA35 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:44 pm

you can tell a lot.

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leena- maybe one could have intervened differently, maybe a lot

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:46 pm

and the parents were informed in good time

we had a drug test at the school

I don't know if and how much it helped

it can also be that it didn't bring anything - but maybe it did

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You can tell when people have taken drugs ...

answer fromTinaDA35 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:47 pm

all you have to do is look in the eyes or do a reaction test. And the parents who do not notice that their children take drugs (regularly) are probably not interested in their children.

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no tina-- that wasn't a joke

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:47 pm

It was like that for us - twice a month 7-10 tests were carried out in the different classes

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yes and tina ate the wisdom with spoons - so I'm out

answer fromRM- on February 3rd, 2012, 3:49 pm

as announced below

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well

answer frombiggi71 on February 3rd, 2012, 3:56 pm

and that's exactly where the rabbit is in the pepper.
what use are the greatest drug tests.

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Generally condemn innocents to such tests ???

answer fromshinead on February 3rd, 2012, 4:32 pm

Fortunately we have a good constitution!

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@hgmeier

answer fromshinead on February 3rd, 2012, 4:35 pm

That is the wrong attitude!

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. THAT is the core statement of our legal system and I am very proud of this foundation! Because it does not impose anything on anyone and keeps the controls small.

THEREFORE, the data retention in its current form is unconstitutional, therefore the raster search is unconstitutional.

It has nothing to do with a guilty conscience, but with freedom!

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Re: Can School Require a Drug Test?

answer fromHannehoch6 on February 4th, 2012, 9:59 am

depends on what is in the school rules.If you have agreed to the conditions by registering, then you have to bow down. If nothing in this regard is anchored in the school rules, this may not be done.

I would ask the school to immediately provide a legal basis for the expulsion from school and for the drug test, otherwise you would have to take legal action against the school. It can't be that the son isn't getting lessons. That would concern me more than the drug test.

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