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Starting salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer

Anonymous  πŸ“… 07.05.2020 11:05:05
Starting salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer
Hello dear forum members

do some of you work in data science or data engineers? I would like to work in one of these areas and have a few questions about this:

Data Science:
I have already acquired some specialist knowledge in the field of machine learning and neural networks and can handle the Python programming language and the Tensorflow framework well. So there are good prerequisites to start in this area ... but I can well imagine that this coveted profession will lose its luster in a few years because too many specialize and apply for this profession.
I wonder now if it is wise to start in this area ...

Data Engineer:
I only have programming knowledge in Java and databases ... and unfortunately only little specialist knowledge in distributed systems and data pipelines .... how high are the chances of finding a job?

How high are the starting salaries in these areas and which occupation makes more sense?
D.H.A.  πŸ“… 07.05.2020 16:23:06
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Much too general. Just like your skills. According to your other thread, you have just completed a bachelor's degree in Winfo. What is your experience with Tensorflow?
Re: Starting Salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer
Hello, I've been working in the field for a few years and I can help you a little.

More sense, well that's more a question of your personal preferences. Basically, you've probably forgotten the job title that most closely matches your description. That would be the machine learning engineer, a mixture of data science and data engineering.

But back to the other two. Data engineers are most involved in infrastructure and DevOps. It's about data pipelines and big data technologies. Machine learning and statistical modeling are of little importance here. Data scientists, on the other hand, focus on modeling and statistics. The job is usually much more communicative because you have to communicate your findings to the requester. Many data scientists are disappointed in practice because modeling is such a small part of the work, most of the data is preprocessing and transforming (data cleaning).

A machine learning engineer sits in between and does both, whereby the focus is more on the integration of the ML models into "normal" software development. The title is also becoming more and more popular because companies realize that a prototype cannot be easily used by a data scientist.

When it comes to data scientists, you have to say that the range is very large because the job title is used so inflationarily. There are also Excel analysts who are known as data scientists and data scientists who are actually ML engineers.

You can say that you should at least have a master's degree with a data scientist / ML engineer. You can also see that data science is more accessible because you don't need such a strong engineering background there. That means the competition is bigger and there are many newcomers pouring into the job market, from all possible areas where statistics play a role (economics, physics, psychology etc.). At the ML / Data Engineer you have practically no chance without having studied / learned anything with computer science. Such hypes always lose their shine at some point, that's normal.

The starting salary is very different depending on the industry and company and is best found on the net (glassdoor, kununu).

By the way: Business informatics is not the optimal route because math and statistics often play a subordinate role in the course there. But you can catch up on everything.



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Re: Starting salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer
Data science are many mathematical methods. Including stochastics and statistics.

I don't see a data engineer with you now. Java and Datenbanekn is simply something that every high school student can now do.

My recommendation: Buy a book about data science and post a few projects on Github. Github is the best self-promotion for anything code related.
setso  πŸ“… 09.05.2020 11:53:23
Re: Starting salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer
A bit of tensorflow and python unfortunately don't help anymore to get started. You have to put in your own initiative and deal more with the topic. Lots of statistics, lots of stochastics. In the last 2 years of my studies, I learned this at the same time in the company, which later opened the doors to large companies without a master's degree or doctorate.

Practical experience counts! Without this you will probably be set at 40k
Connoisseur and maker  πŸ“… 09.05.2020 16:35:18
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My life sucksI don't see a data engineer with you now. Java and Datenbanekn is simply something that every high school student can now do.
I've had different experiences there. Sorry, this is really nonsense.

A lot of experience is required for modern backend enterprise development with Java and databases and in distributed systems. Many systems have to be high-performance and are highly critical (have to run stably 24/7).

To do this, you have to be familiar with database performance (index structures, locking, transactions), operating system or VMs (including Linux), monitoring, CI-CD pipelines, cloud providers and dozens of frameworks and libraries. And a lot more general patterns and approaches.

Senior engineers in this area are all over 80K + and no high school student will get that ...

Sometimes the clicking together of models in the "Data Science" area is more trivial.
SoD  πŸ“… 09.05.2020 17:36:25
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From KennerUndMacher To do this, you have to be familiar with database performance (index structures, locking, transactions), operating system or VMs (including Linux), monitoring, CI-CD pipelines, cloud providers and dozens of frameworks and libraries. And a lot more general patterns and approaches.

Senior engineers in this area are all over 80K + and no high school student will get that ...

No, a high school student can't do that, but otherwise the standard knowledge of a software developer is more like 60k +.
bellman  πŸ“… 10.05.2020 20:04:09
Re: Starting Salaries - Data Science & Data Engineer
Hey

I work as an "ML Engineer" in North Rhine-Westphalia and can largely confirm SWEngineer's comment.

I noticed that as a "data scientist" in many companies you are more of an analyst, e.g. calculating KPIs, creating reports, etc. Few German companies really do machine learning. If you want to develop neural networks or other statistical models there, graduates with strong statistical and software engineering skills are more likely to be taken. Of the 5 master’s graduates (computer science or applied statistics) I know who started in a similar position in North Rhine-Westphalia, all started with 50k - 59k.

I can only emphasize that you should have already specialized in ML during your studies and / or should spend a lot of your free time with ML in order to be able to start without professional experience in the field. As a rule, it is not enough if you have recoded three tutorials in which you develop a model that can differentiate dog pictures from cat pictures. What helps a lot are private projects that have been demonstrably implemented, such as the very successful participation in kaggle competitions.