Can you define the word schoen schoen
please versus please
The fixed phrase "please nice" is very common in different degrees of meaning, but according to Duden, like "thank you", it is always written separately. We wanted from Dr. Werner Scholze-Stubenrecht find out why this is so.
According to Duden, the turn will be you are welcome Written separately, unless the nouns are used (the) here you go is present. However, "please," is apparently often seen as an adverb; This is also the case in Brockhaus Wahrig's German dictionary, which has its own entry for “please”. And in the "Duden - The Great Dictionary of the German Language" there is an example sentence for another lemma: "What should you derive from it?" (Taz 2. 7. 90, 14). How do the divergent views of Duden and Wahrig come about? Could it be that the truth here makes a fine distinction between cases like the taz quote and "I would like to have some ice cream, please"?
Julian von Heyl ,korkturen.de
The spelling dude lists "please nice" for the first time in its 15th edition in 1961. The hyphenation is due to the fact that the politeness formula "please" was created as an abbreviation of "I please" and the "nice" can only be an independent adverb.
In the meantime, the combination of both words in writing is often found in combination in certain contexts; it then means something like "if I may ask". The Duden, however, is rather hesitant to declare a new spelling standard for such developments; Truig probably had fewer problems with that.
Whether we will use a compilation for the already recognizable differentiation of meanings in cases such as "What should you derive from this" in future editions of our dictionaries will be discussed in the editorial office.
Dr. Werner Scholze-Stubenrecht, head of the Duden editorial team
Julian von Heyl on March 24th, 2015 | Comments (5) | Visits: 34268
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1 Marco M.
Oh no, please don't please.
I am quite right that the Duden is hesitant this time. I would be even more "right" if popular dictionaries did not quickly accept what is generally accepted. Then we hardly need any rules and could proceed according to the principle "the main thing is that what is meant is understood". As if the majority opinion decided that one and one result in three, whereupon this could be looked up in the coming generations of mathematics textbooks.
Oh yes, please don't please. Otherwise I will write very much from tomorrow, please.
PS: That was of course stilted and formulated with fun, if not without seriousness. And the Duden can certainly take up new words quickly. For me it is more about the thoughtful content of an expression - one could argue about its format and aesthetics later.
Written by Marco M. on 5/18/15 5:23 PM
2 Oliver Schubert
I don't think the separation makes sense, as is the case with many other words. The connection results in a separate sense of the word in itself, which a separation (which can then be interpreted as desired) can never and never have. "Please beautiful" and "Please very much" can be understood as such, like "actor" or other artificial words. The ratio is not always the top priority, but also the feeling for the language and the aesthetics. A connected word is invulnerable as such and cannot be used multiple times - that is, UNIQUE. That never hurts. To eradicate it is tantamount to impoverishing our language.
And the former Bavarian minister of education just recently (in August 2015) put it in a nutshell: He considers the spelling reform to be a hasty and not complete, but largely unnecessary reform. A reform, as it is now showing, the way it was introduced has only created confusion and dissatisfaction. The identity of a language was attacked because too many changes were wanted at the same time. New words and changes are never ordered by the Mufti - but in the system, through people, with people - see the following example! And, if by decree, always in small doses. The spelling reform should not have been carried out to this extent. Unfortunately, our ministers of education did not have the clear view on this point either. Thank you Mr. Zehetmeyer for your comment.
Just keep on remembering, because you can't do more than oxidize our language anyway. You smombys! The new language emerges with the youth, creativity is in building here: www.jugendwort.de. Take an example, because there words are created anew, reassembled - and also dismantled.
Written by Oliver Schubert on 8/18/15 11:29 AM
I can only agree with Mr Schubert.
"Please, please" or "please very much" is not a randomly chosen expression for a "nice request", whatever that should be. When you ask someone about something, how do you go about asking "nicely"? Perhaps by making the addressee look pretty or by putting on festive clothes beforehand ...
Especially since the "please very much" is the supposed literal meaning of "please very much!" behaves in the opposite direction - that says, for example. the waiter when he brings the guest an espresso. In this context there is nothing to ask, God knows, and rather no reason to do this to an increased extent, that is to say "very".
I only see the spelling reform as a dream about the Swabian Alb.
Posted by Wasert on 7/16/17 2:20 PM
I can only agree with both pre-commentators (Wasert and Schubert). It has to do with semantics, but also with aesthetics. Actually there is nothing to add. Semantics should not be neglected, especially in the written word.
Written by Veldrin on 4/21/2018 12:00 PM
5 Herbert Kofler
The 4 comments are all correct - and void.
It is idle to talk about logic in orthography (or would you prefer orthography?) And grammar of a language. Let us only look at the "laborious" way in French of formulating a question or the "unnecessary" paraphrase of an English negative or question as examples. The German language itself is full of flaws and logic violations. The German capitalization of our nouns doesn't bother me a bit, nor does the ß- or ss-spelling bother me. I even advocate the assignment of certain cases to certain words (e.g. thanks to a genitive, although we thank a dative, which can hardly be explained with "logic").
But I definitely don't like a phrase like "end of this month". Do you read newspapers? Do you watch TV? Do you listen to the radio? Words that correspond to the "end of this month" are coming up all the time. The genitive is called "of the month" or "this month", and it means "middle of this year". (Not entirely for nothing, for example, that a clever guy I valued wrote "The dative is the genitive's enemy".)
It is entirely justifiable that synonyms are given in dictionaries for terms that are supplemented by a linguistic assignment (North German, South German / Austrian), the main thing is that we also have a common language. It is not essential that a North German understands a Swiss or a Tyrolean in their respective original dialect, and vice versa, but it is important that everyone in the German-speaking area can understand and speak a common language, and this common language is what we call it For my part, high-level German language, must have common, binding rules and spellings. I am deeply reluctant to develop into different idioms, ultimately to different languages.
In the end, it doesn't matter to me whether it is written very please and please, but there should be an authority that explains and determines what is going on. Other areas are also regulated and defined by binding agreements, laws, contracts, etc. Personally, I find the Duden explanation and suggestion the most appealing and illuminating, and I will continue to write "please, please" and "please".
Written by Herbert Kofler on 11/1/18 9:55 AM
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