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Did Palpatine lose to Mace Windu on purpose?

I reread the passage in the novel "Revenge of the Sith". It's really hard to tell if Sidious lost on purpose, as you suggested, or if Mace Windu really beats him. I will try to explain this a little and you can choose whether or not you agree with my interpretations. To this end, I will first quote a few important passages from the book.

Clear the stage: The chronology of the fight with text passages

First, it is explicitly stated that lightsaber combat has reached a dead end. I would say Mace and Sidious were the same when it came to lightsaber fights, largely due to Vaapad fighting style and Mace's great skills with the lightsaber in general. This went on until Anakin arrived.

Passage 1:

Vaapad made it an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow. They became a standing wave of struggle that spread to every cubic inch of the Chancellery. [...] But there was still only the strength cycle, the endless loop, no wound on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Dead end. Which might have gone on forever if Vaapad had been Mace's only present. The fights were effortless for him now; he let his body deal with it without his mind intervening. While his blade turned, his spirit [...] slipped over the cycle of dark power and pursued it to its limitless source. Feeling for his shatter point. He found a knot of fault lines in the future of the Shadow; he chose the largest break and followed it back to the here and now - and it led, amazingly, to a man who stood frozen in the slashed door. [...] The chosen one was here.

I think Mace thinks Anakin (Sidous' Shatterpoint) will help him end the fight. Mace and Sidious both feel the end of the fight nearing. Then Mace can disarm Sidious, taking advantage of the fear Sidious exudes.

Passage 2:

He could feel the end of this fight nearing, as well as the blurring of the Sith he was facing. In the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he turned the fight to get them both on the windowsill. Out where the fear of the shadow made him hesitate. Out where the fear of the shadow turned some of its powered speed into a powered grip around the slippery permacret. Out where Mace could move his blade in a precise arc and cut the Shadow's lightsaber in half.

Mace attributes his victory to Sidious's own fear.

Passage 3:

"You lost for the same reason the Sith always lose: defeated by your own fear."

But then Sidious counterattacks.

Passage 4:

"Fool!" His voice was a clap of thunder. "Do you think the fear you are feeling is mine?" The light shot through the clouds and a bolt of lightning from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to understand what Palpatine was talking about. He only had time to return to Vaapad and turn his blade to catch the prongs of pure, blinding hatred that clung to him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It's a state of mind: a channel for darkness. The power went in and out of him without touching him. And the circuit was completed: the lightning bolt was reflected back to its source.

Mace managed to keep the lightning at bay with his lightsaber and wants Anakin to help him. But Sidious didn't seem afraid of Anakin.

Passage 5:

The key to ultimate victory. Palpatine's Shatterpoint. The absolute breaking point of the Sith. The shatterpoint of the dark side itself. Mace thought, expressionlessly astonished, Palpatine trusts Anakin Skywalker ...

Sidious brought Mace Windu to the brink of defeat with his lightning bolt, but then stopped him, apparently from exhaustion.

Passage 6:

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself against Skywalker. Instead, he raised the lightning bolt that burst from his hands and bent the well of Mace's blade back toward the Korun master's face. [...] This was beyond Vaapad; He had no strength left to fight his own blade. [...] Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he choked on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me ..." "Ahhh ..." Palpatine's roar over the endless lightning strike turned into a fading groan of despair. The lightning choked, leaving only the night and the rain, and an old man fell to his knees on a slippery ledge. "I ... can't. I give up. I ... I'm too weak in the end. Too old and too weak. Don't kill me, Master Jedi. Please. I give up."

Then Sidious gives up and surrenders, Mace wants to kill him, but the manipulations of Anakin by the Sith Lord come to fruition and Anakin cuts off Mace's sword hand.

Passage 7:

"I need him alive!" Skywalker yelled. "I need him to save Padme!" Mace thought blankly: Why? And moved his lightsaber towards the fallen chancellor. Before he could deliver his blow, a sudden arc of blue plasma shot through his wrist and his hand still fell away with his lightsaber, and Palpatine picked himself up again and flashed from the hands of the Sith Lord and without his blade catch it , the force of Palpatine's hatred struck him utterly. He had been so concerned with Palpatine's splinter point that he would never have considered looking for Anakins.


It was a bit of a verbose introduction, but I wanted to properly set the stage for my answer. Having read the novel "Darth Plagueis" by James Luceno, in which Darth Sidious is described as a truly powerful, deceitful, and forward-looking being, I am ready to give him the honor of deliberately losing to Mace Windu just to get off Anakin to be saved and so completely pull him to the Dark Side.

In my opinion, Sidious knew that he couldn't win against Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel (passage 1). So he would have come up with another way to win the fight, either by using his stronger power talents (e.g. lightning) or using tricks. He used Anakin's arrival to deceive Mace that he was afraid of losing and of being weakened by his fear, and allowed Mace to disarm him (passages 3 and 4). Maybe Sidious took advantage of Anakin's fear of looking right. Mace believed Anakin was Sidious' breaking point (passage 5), which may have further weakened the suspicions he might have had about this sudden victory over the Sith Lord. (Perhaps this is a premonition that Darth Vader killed the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.) After Sidious was disarmed, he almost surprised Mace with his lightning bolt. I'm not sure if he thought he could kill Mace this way since a normal Jedi couldn't have blocked the lightning, only Mace's Vaapad technique enabled him to withstand it, or if he was on Anakin from the start sat. The last interpretation is supported by passage 5 and by the fact that Sidious Mace brought Windu to the brink of defeat with his strong lightning bolt, but then stopped him (passage 6), although he still had some strength (passage 7) to help him after Anakin had intervened. (But maybe he was really exhausted, it's hard to tell.)

I hope my statement was helpful and convincing. Of course, other interpretations are also possible.


Are all b / w novels as badly written as the excerpts here?


@TGnat - only the prequel trilogy :)))))


I assumed the fear Mace felt was actually from Anakin - his fear that the secret of saving Padme might die with Palpatine. It's impossible to speculate whether or not Palpatine could have defeated Mace in a head-to-head fight, but this wasn't an actual fight ... it was a show that Palpatine had arranged for Anakin.


@ Omegacron The text states that the fear Mace felt came from Sidious (see passage 2), but perhaps Mace's feeling was hampered by Sidious. As for the entire event, which was completely arranged by Sidious to draw Anakin to the Dark Side, it's absolutely possible that Sidious planned it exactly as it happened before. From the novel "Darth Plagueis" it is known that Sidious was extremely cunning and forward-looking. That view would be supported by the fact that Palpatine had recently told Anakin that he was Darth Sidious, maybe he was counting on Anakin to share the information with ...


As for the disfigurement, someone theorized on another question that Palpatine actually looked like he was using the Dark Side heavily, and during the fight he dropped his illusion of power that she was hiding. That can't be supported, of course, but it's an interesting theory. It also parallels the pre-prequel EU which found that Palpatine's shrunken appearance was due to decades of use of the dark side.